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Let’s Talk About Batwoman

So, I’ve been putting off doing my Edge of Tomorrow Book Vs. Movie post for awhile now, it’s still in the works I’m just not sure where I’m going with it and want to pull it together a bit more before posting.  So, instead of that, let’s talk about Batwoman.  More than that even, let’s talk about the fact that DC/Andreyko/Bat-editorial has decided that Kate Kane needs to break up with her fiance Maggie Sawyer.

Having stopped getting my pull list for various reasons I’m obviously a little behind on this.  The back story, for those of you who don’t follow the comic, involves Maggie’s ex-husband suing for full custody of their daughter.  Despite knowing that Maggie is a lesbian, that being the reason he has primary custody in the first place, he’s found out that she’s dating and that Jamie has met Kate and that just isn’t OK with him.  So Maggie’s off fighting that while Kate is back in Gotham being the title character and feeling like Maggie would be better off without her or doesn’t want her, because Maggie is busy trying to keep her ability to see her daughter and doesn’t realize that her fiance’s relationship fears run this deep.  Kate cuts a deal with the homophobic ex-husband, he drops the suit and she’ll stay away from Maggie and the kid.  She doesn’t talk to Maggie about this or have the decency to break up with her to her face, no, she leaves a note and moves her stuff out.  The issue ends with vampire sex because reasons?

This is one of those things where I’m honestly not surprised that the fandom doesn’t seem to be saying much.  It isn’t that is doesn’t absolutely suck on a number of levels, it’s that it’s kind of expected.  There is no shock here.  For Future’s End, DC already said, “Hey Batwoman was turned into a vampire by her ex, Nocturna”, so unless they were going to have her ex from West Point be the villain, she was going to wind up breaking up with Maggie or they were going to kill Maggie off. 

It’s also a really poor way of going about the break up and really does nothing to serve either of the characters.  Maggie’s set back to square one as far as custody is concerned, which in this case is almost a good thing, but she no longer has her apparently loving fiance to offer emotional support.  Kate went from doing just about everything she could to help to making a shitty deal, without talking to Maggie about it at all, and then leaving her seemingly out of nowhere.  This isn’t a solution.  It just tells Maggie’s ex that he can pull this again when she starts dating someone else.  It makes Kate look terribly childish and somewhat stupid, seriously, she can’t think that this is a permanent fix.  I’m now imagining Batwoman scaring off all of Maggie’s future dates, for her own good you see.

This is also where I admit, I’m finding myself not at all a fan of Andreyko’s writing.  I don’t know how much of this is editorial mandates and how much of it is him, and I’d heard good things about his previous work, but this is just bad.  I get that DC is going for dark and serious but this is just ridiculous and, as with before with fans already knowing this was coming, I think that there hasn’t been as much of an out cry on this one because people just don’t care any more.  They’ve taken a character with tons of potential and, like a lot of their other characters, just buried her in grimness and everything constantly getting worse and I think that people have become numb to that.  There isn’t a ray of hope or a safe home for Batwoman, so what does anything matter?

I’ll probably post more on this later, ways that I think they could have handled it better.  But I’m tired.

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DC Rambling

I’ve been thinking since I posted the thing about DC nixing the Kate Kane/Maggie Sawyer wedding, but one of the things I really want to see more of is the two of them dealing with their relationship problems. Like, Maggie obviously had a thing about Kate having lied to her for their entire relationship by hiding that she is Batwoman. We’ve seen all of two scenes dealing with that and while both ended up with Kate sort of cowed, I don’t know that they’ve really dealt with stuff. I want to see an actual talk about this stuff rather than the “hey, as long as you don’t hurt my daughter or cheat on me” thing that we got before the second proposal. I want to see them deal with relationship stuff, be there for each other and react to not being able to be there for each other, both knowing that the other is doing seriously dangerous stuff.

Seeing them take a break from their relationship, not break up exactly but take a pause to sort things out apart, could be great especially with the “somehow Kate and Bruce fought and neither is dead or permanently injured” thing from Williams and Blackman’s arc going unfinished. I want to see the fall out if Toby or Renee show back up, or if Jamie doesn’t like Kate at all.

Plus, I honestly think that Kate Kane has serious amounts of growing up to do relationship wise. It’s like, they could work and they could work well, but Maggie seems like she’s the one making all the compromises for it to happen. Kate needs to meet her in the middle more. Less stunty “I did this to you, so I have to experience it myself so I understand just how bad it was” stuff, because another blogger was right, that could get taken to scary extremes really easily, and more “I know I did this and I can’t understand how it effected you, but what can I do to start making it better?” , more talking about problems.

I also want to see the inner personal fallout from the unfinished arc, because that really would have changed everything.

So, sign off if you’re out there and tell me what you think.

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So again with the posting things that aren’t reviews, I’m half way to on a roll here.  I’ve got a couple of things I’m looking at posting.  One of those has to do with the Batwoman marriage thing that I’ve already talked some about.  I wanted to wait until things had cooled down a little to talk more about that.  Another is yet another review that should appear soon, but is currently up in the air.  Yet another is something about NaNoWriMo and trying to do something with that, maybe see if anyone wants to run a sort of challenge here for that.

Beyond that, things should be clearing up soon, I’m reworking my schedule yet again to try and open more time to get things done that I have to and leave more time for stuff like this.  I will at some point probably post a picture of Jonesy, though she is not really a kitten sized kitten anymore.  And I’m looking at doing a Halloween giveaway of some sort, I may skip to Thanksgiving to give me more time to plan.

No Wedding for the Wicked

Having just found out about J.H. Williams iii and W. Haden Blackman leaving the Batwoman comic over last minute editorial mandates being placed on story lines that were planned out well in advanced, the deal breaker apparently being DC disallowing Kate’s marriage to Gotham detective Maggie Sawyer, I figured I’d throw my two cents into the internet’s collective cap.  I’m also going to go ahead and post here that, while discussion is always a good thing, due to the apparent amount of political and religious vitriol I’ve seen on many other posts regarding this, I’ll be disemvoweling any posts that are hugely off topic in either of those directions.

For the moment, let’s just take it at face value that DC’s decision didn’t have anything to do with Kate and Maggie both being women.  Assume that it would have happened no matter what that DC would nix the marriage.

My big problem here as a reader, a writer, a reviewer, a consumer of media, whatever is that DC editorial doesn’t seem to have stopped Williams or Blackman from having Kate propose or any of the lead up mutual feelings scenes that humanized both characters.  Essentially, they gave all the build up to something that would have been really big for both characters and that would have effected how the interacted with not only each other and their families, but also the villains and just general people of Gotham.  They cancelled on what was, or felt like it should have been, a natural progression for the characters and an opening for really interesting possibilities for future side story bits, the kind of stuff that happens between the super villains.  It feels disingenuous on the parts of the editorial guys who have apparently decided that marriage makes for boring characters, to have let the lead up happen and then cancel on it at the last minute.  I will admit as sort of an aside here, I think a little more time could have been taken on the engagement and building up Batwoman’s rogue’s gallary and her support team, her family and her non-romantic relationships, more.  That would have been good for the character I think.

As a larger thing, the way DC has mishandled public relations on this is just breathtaking.  While I can understand that a company wide ban on marriages would include Batwoman, the fact remains that this wasn’t something that was just randomly sprung on anyone.  Williams has said from the beginning that Batwoman has been planned out several arcs ahead so that everything would go smoothly, it was even sited as part of the reason that the Batwoman on going comic kept getting pushed back.  This was something that should have been nipped in the bud early, before any proposals or even Kate and Maggie dating, just as part of writing in the New 52 if there was going to be a ban on married superheroes.

Now, remember that bit I mentioned up near the top about taking DC at face value on this?  That ties into both the mishandled PR and the overall ban on marriage.  Whether DC intended to make it a matter of the characters’ genders or not, they did.  I talk a lot to my friends about how awesome Batwoman is because she’s essentially Batman as a woman rather than the original Kathy Kane who was in it because she had a thing for the big bad Bat, but it isn’t entirely even.  If DC ever decided that they wanted to marry off Bruce Wayne to Selina Kyle or some other chick, that’s only a big deal because it’s Batman.  Given how much of a big deal gay marriage is, and likely will remain until everyone has equal rights under the law.  It’s down right boneheaded that readers heard from one of the writers, who was leaving the book, that he didn’t think this was about the characters’ sexuality.  That should have been one of the first things DC made a point of saying if only to help head off accusations of homophobia.  They didn’t though and, while I could easily be missing information here, the only things I’ve seen from anyone at DC other than Williams have been from Dan Didio.

I’m honestly not sure how to feel about that last bit.  On the one hand, it does feel like a natural flow for the narrative has been cut because DC editorial thinks that mariage makes characters boring.  On the other hand, I admit that this does feel a bit sensationalistic, Batwoman hasn’t really been treated as a character who happens to be gay rather than a gay character.  The little intro at the beginning of each issue makes sure to remind us that this is a lesbian character we’re reading about rather than letting us gather that from the comic itself.  When the writers leaving the title first became news, posts about it were overwhelmingly about the missing lesbian wedding rather than repeated last minute editorial changes.  Heck, even my post her focuses mostly on the wedding and it’s impact on things rather than on DC making poor choices with how they treat their talent.  It’s the big deal that DC didn’t want it to be and they don’t really seem to be doing anything about it.

I’ll probably come back later and chew this a bit more, focus on some of the plot stuff they could have done with married Kate and Maggie that wouldn’t make them boring.  I might talk about the whole “sacrifices” thing that Didio mentioned at some point as why superheroes can’t get hitched.  That’s all later though.

Batwoman #4

I’m slowly getting more used to trying to review comics, it’s still not the focus of the blog but I enjoy them and about half my daily views seem to be from people trying to find out when/if characters that I’ve talked about wanting to see in the DCnU will be showing up.  So, why not?

Issue four picks up almost immediately after issue three’s ending.  Bette Kane is back in the Flamebird costume ready to take down the scum of Gotham to prove herself to herself and probably her cousin.  Predictably, this does not go well and the reader is treated to  vibrantly colored scenes of Flamebird in a painfully one-sided fight interspersed with tasteful scenes of Kate and Maggie having comfort sex.  From there, Batwoman takes to the streets to track down the monster that’s been kidnapping Gotham’s children.  Meanwhile, Agent Chase tricks Bette into revealing her cousin’s name and, possibly, Batwoman’s identity.

Jumping right in, if Batwoman: Elegy hadn’t sold me on J.H. Willaims III’s art then this issue would have.  The Bette’s fight scene contrasts starkly with the clips of Kate and Maggie.  The bright colors of one really complemented the muted sketchy qualities of the other.  It makes what would have already been tender scenes all that much more so.  And the two page spread of Batwoman coming through that window where each scallop of her cape contains another panel was just awesome.

I find myself increasingly hoping that something really bad happens to Agent Chase.  On a logical level I know she’s just doing her job, but there’s a level of casual cruelty in the way she delt with Bette that just bothers me.  On the flipside, the more I read the more I like Maggie Sawyer.  She’s the beleaguered good cop here, the Commissioner Gordon to Kate’s Bat.  It makes me a bit less interested in seeing what happens when either she figures out that Kate’s Batwoman or Renee Montoya shows back up.

I’m impressed so far and I look quite forward to seeing what happens to wrap this arc up.

I find myself wondering just how they’re going to handle it when Maggie Sawyer eventually figures out that Kate is the Batwoman.  Is Kate going to tell her because she ultimately needs someone to rely on and having a Commissioner Gordon of her own would be a great help?  Will Maggie figure it out and confront her about it?  Will the confrontation be as a cop or as her girlfriend?  I’m almost expecting them to use Maggie eventually figuring Kate out as an excuse to bring Renee back in for some good old fashioned Batangst that ends with all three characters single and pissed at each other.  Maybe have Renee try to talk Kate in to telling Maggie because of the communication issues their relationship has been characterized by.

The blurb for issue three mentioned something about Kate’s “nocturnal activities” messing with her relationship with Maggie, so maybe we’re already going to see some suspicion on the good detective’s part?  I mean it’s not like her pale as death red headed new girlfriend and that pale as death red headed vigilante could have anything to do with each other.  Nothing at all.

I don’t know, what do you guys think?

Well, This is a Thing

I’m still working on that review and I’m still having problems with my intro to it.  Starting to think that I’m over thinking this whole thing.  Got a couple of other reviews to get written.  I picked up my draw box, so I’m probably going to rant a bit about Birds of Prey and Batwoman at some point which may involve spoilers for other things from before Flashpoint.  Brain is fuzzy because I slept most of the weekend.

I’m also excited because one of the authors I reviewed recently was kind enough to give my review a shout out on his Amazon page, so thanks to Guy James for that!

Towards the end of the week we’ll be having a guest post from J.N. Duncan, author of Deadworld and The Vengeful Dead to celebrate the release of his second Jackie Rutledge novel.

I’m about to fall asleep on my keyboard no matter how excited I am though and will have something more coherent posted later in the day.

Yeah, I decided to do this.  I know they’re saying that it isn’t actually a reboot, but considering the changes that are being made and the renumbering, I call bull on that.

So, why is the book reviewer talking comics?  Because I like the stories and any number of the characters and because it seems really bone headed of DC to be doing another reboot so soon after 52.  Let’s take t from the top then, shall we?

Barbara Gordon as Batgirl again:  This really isn’t such a terrible thing just looking at it.  Babs is the Batgirl that’s used in just about any mainstream Batman related media, but she’s also so much more than Batgirl as of now.  What happens to Oracle now that Babs is back on the streets of Gotham?  Is she going to be replaced by Proxy?  Will she just stop existing or become what Babs does when there are no major crimes happening in Gotham?  For that matter, what happens to Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, the other two Batgirls?  Given what DC is doing with other members of the Batfamily, maybe Stephanie will go back to being Spoiler and Cassandra will show up in Batman Inc. as the Black Bat.  Which leads to another question.  Why are three of the five Robins getting front billing on their own comics, but two of the three Batgirls are getting shafted?  That doesn’t seem right.

Birds of Prey:  I can kind of understand the need for a new line up here what with Oracle not being Oracle any more and Hawk and Dove getting their own comic again, but what about Lady Blackhawk?  Is she going to be in the Blackhawks reboot that seems totally unnecessary and more grimdark than anything since the mid-nineties?  Are they getting rid of her because of the Blackhawks reboot?  Who is new girl with the tattoos?  What is Poison Ivy doing 1) as a good guy and 2) wearing spandex?  I always figured that her costume was plant matter of some sort and short to draw in men and readers.  Why does Black Canary need a new costume besides DC claiming that all the heroes get new outfits?  I just don’t see this working out well, not going to stop me from reading the first few issues but the changes seem unnecessary to the max.

Harley Quinn:  Just Harley Quinn.  DC seems to be ignoring what made the character popular enough to bring from Batman the Animated Series to the DCU proper, people liked the Joker’s sometimes goofy sometimes terrifyingly effective hench wench.  The new design and her apparent disconnect from the Joker could easily kill reader interest for the character.  I could be wrong, people could love her, but it seems like DC would have done better to just make a new character.

Batwoman: This is going to get into some minor character stuff and complaints about timeline shenanigans.  I’ve been waiting to read Batwoman one since February, so I’m kind of excited that it’s finally going to happen but what kinds of changes can we expect to have happened between now and the reboot?  Best I know Kate was introduced during 52 and then was the lead for Detective comics for awhile, so she’s a fairly new character.   How much of what’s already happened with her is going to stand?  Does she have the same back story and the same military history?  Do she and Renee Montoya still have the same personal history?  If so, is Renee still the Question?  Is Alice still Kate’s Joker or will she be written out to provide a surprise appearance by Kate’s no longer dead twin later on?  How do the changes in the time line effect the characters who will appear?  This is probably one of the new titles that I have the most questions about what and how much will be changed.  It’s new enough that they can more or less start from whole cloth and not break too much, but at the same time J. H. Williams III has been working on it since at least February.  Does that change anything or did he know from the start that there was a reboot coming?  Also, does Bab’s return to the Batsuit make Kate kind of unnecessary?  They are completely different characters but, given that DC doesn’t seem to be doing anything with the other two Batgirls, can we expect the company to give both of them the same face time that they will their male heroes without making an utter joke about both of them?

The Robins: I’ve mentioned this a little earlier, but why do three of the four former Robins get top billing on their own comics?  Stephanie, the fourth Robin, was Spoiler after being Robin but  before becoming Batgirl.  Why haven’t we seen anything with her as a major character?  Heck, Jason Todd was dead until a couple of years ago, why’s he get to lead his own team?  Why is there still a Damian Wayne if Cassandra Cain is gone?  Given that DC said it wants to have more diversity, why are they giving such attention to a bunch of black haired, blue- eyed, dudes?  Why not ditch at least one of them and keep another female Bat?  I really want to see their reasoning behind this.

So Many Batman Comics: Pulling up a list of post reboot comics, Batman shows up in at least 6 not including the further 7 involving various members of the Batfamily.  I understand that Bats makes DC a lot of money, I get that, but if they’re going to make a big deal of having 52 new number one issues why not limit Bruce to his own comic and one of the new team ups?  There are only so many places that Batman can be at once and they seem content to saturate the reboot with more Bruce Wayne.  Yes, I know that there are 3 Green Lantern comics coming out, but at least there are also three Earth based Green Lanterns.

Black Hawks Reboot: Heroes from the greatest generation get rebooted as mercenaries and soldiers for hire.  Apparently Zinda Blake has either been rebooted or is hiding from the shame of it.  Seems like needless war grimdark.

Sargent Rock Reboot: More seemingly needless new stuff.  Sargent Rock was the last man killed on the last day of World War 2 with the last bullet fired, he shouldn’t be replaced by his grandson.  Easy company should not become mercenaries.  This seems like more of an attempt to piss off older readers than an attempt to draw in new ones.

I’ll probably have more to say on the matter when the reboot actually happens.  I’ll probably complain about there not being nearly enough of the Question, but that’s for then.  I really haven’t heard any more than the average comic reader on this, but something of this scope seems like it could have been thought out better.  What I’m wondering now is what you guys think.